and fall on this particular sort of thing. Now, what would happen if we did change things around and we suddenly realized the truth about reality—that it is consensus. Q: Do you mean we would need a paradigm shift? Does this relate to the ideas of chaos theory, for example? A: Yes and no. I don’t see James Glake, who wrote Chaos being a great fan of McLuhan. I don’t see Mandel Brozian and fractal theorists, as being great fans of McLuhan. As a matter of fact among